authenticity of V8s advertised as "original unrestored"
Keith Belcher is one of our Pricewatch volunteers who monitor
MGV8s seen advertised for sale or listed for auction. The data he
and fellow Pricewatch volunteer Andy Goves provides is used to generate
the updated MGV8 price guides and market reviews released every
six months on early May and November. Keith's MGBGTV8 has featured
in a couple of classic car magazines and Andy's MGBGTV8 featured
on the front cover of Safety Fast! in August 2018.
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Auction of MGBGTV8 (Tundra 1827)
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do you check the authenticity of claims like "original
Keith Belcher (one of our Pricewatch volunteers) feels
"one of the problems we have in evaluating some of the
so called "original unrestored" MGBGTV8s is the validity
of those claims. I remember buying a new MGBGT in 1973 and it
came with a Yellow Ochre interior. I was quite annoyed as I
had ordered Autumn Leaf. I also recall the rubber door sill
covers and the floor mats were quite bright Yellow Ochre and
liable to scuff and get dirty very quickly. A quick check of
the MOSS catalogue lists these sill and floor mats in those
colours, but they are now NLA. Victor Smith tells me he has
a copy of the Factory records of each car which include the
original interior trim colour.
Factory production control records for the MGBGTV8
In the final few months before the MG Plant closed, the late
Geoff Allen (then Foreman at the Rectifications Department)
became very concerned that the production records for the MGBGTV8
model might simply be thrown in a skip as the premises were
cleared following a plant closure. So in his tea and lunch breaks
he slaved away making a handwritten copy of those records. Later
as V8 Register Archivist, he transcribed that record to a system
on his computer and fortunately a copy is still available with
the V8 Registrar for checks on individual MGBGTV8s - the build
date, engine number, body colour, trim and the dealer to whom
a car was dispatched from the MG Plant.
Extract from the
Factory records for MGBGTV8 Tundra 1827
The record above shows this MGBGTV8 (Tundra 1827) left the Factory
with Autumn Leaf trim.
Peter Beadle (formerly parts manager at University Motors
at Epsom at the time the MGBGTV8 was on sale there) says "Yes
Geoff Allen's list is a very good guide to what originally came
out of the Factory from the assembly line. To my knowledge,
all MGBGT V8s, apart from the one Jubilee car, had rubber floor
mats with underlay stuck to the underside of the mat plus the
Rubberised Sill Mats. The Jubilee car (listed as BRG & Gold)
had the later standard black floor carpets According to Anders
Clausagers' "Original MGB" book published in 1994,
Yellow Ochre trim stopped around July 1973 being replaced by
Autumn Leaf. By August 1973 Navy was being run out and black
became the replacement colour. In the latter years a very few
cars left the Factory with black gearbox tunnel carpets &
Autumn Leaf floor mats and this was due to supply shortages
to the Assembly Line. Most, If not all, of these cars would
have been rectified at the PDI (Pre Delivery Inspection) stage
at the MG Dealerships. It was the cheaper option rather than
stop the assembly line.
If you look
very closely at original Autumn leaf doorboards you will see
that the Autumn Leaf colour is actually two colours , a lighter
brown with a darker brown overlay. Some replacement trim sets
have been made with just one colour due to the higher cost of
the correct type of material.
Whatever they had on the assembly line went onto the car
as long as it was fitted in pairs!
Peter Beadle commented "I think the interior of
the MGBGTV8 in Tundra coming up for auction
at the NEC is correct. I have checked Derek Spencer Jones' very
late Sandglow rubber bumper MGBGTV8 (with GT flashes on the
C posts) and it has Autumn Leaf Interior with Autumn Leaf gearbox
tunnel, but Black sill & floor mats.
Thought you would also like a link to Chris Armitage's Flicker
pages with a set of photos of his rubber bumper MGBGTV8.
You will see (note the photo img 1269) that Tundra MGBGTV8 (VRN:
KSM 797P) with Autumn Leaf interior and owned since 1985 with
70,000 miles on the clock has Black gearbox carpet with Black
floormats, yet Autumn Leaf interior! I rest my case regarding
MGBGTV8 interiors - whatever they had on the assembly line went
onto the car as long as it was fitted in pairs!"