Take care with vehicle mileage checks with reimported RV8s



Checking a car that's for sale. See Part 3 of the five part Guide to Buying a Classic MG published in Safety Fast! from September 2009 to January 2010. More



Vehicle mileage checks. See an article on the issues and concerns together with a case study of the frustrating difficulties experienced by a V8 enthusiast with the mileage report for a reimported RV8. More
































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Posted: 13.3.10
Vehicle mileage checks when buying a classic MG
With a classic MG the mileage is of interest to a prospective buyer, particularly if one of the key selling features is a low mileage. This is often the case with reimported RV8s which seem to leave Japan for Australia, the UK or Mainland Europe with generally low recorded mileages, 25,000 or less not being unusal. With any classic MG, buyers can check the mileage in two ways – by examining the mileage records shown in the seller’s history file for the car and by buying a vehicle data check which includes a mileage check. Guarantee support may be offered by the service provider as part of the vehicle data check.

Getting a vehicle history or data check is the wisest investment you will make when buying any secondhand car. The check will reveal if the car has been reported stolen, has outstanding finance on it (if it has, then it is technically still the property of the finance house), has been written-off or has been recorded as scrapped. From the vehicle check report you will be able to confirm the Vehicle Identification Number or VIN for the car, so you can match it up to the numbers on the car and those on the V5C registration certificate. The vehicle check may also show up any discrepancy in the recorded mileage which will enable you to enquire just how certain the seller is the mileage figure is correct. The discrepancy could arise if a new odometer has been fitted – either because the original unit failed or a replacement mph unit was fitted on an MG reimported to the UK as part of the preparations needed to register the car in the UK.

The vehicle mileage check will be made against the data held by the National Mileage Register. Understandably the commercial organisation maintaining the register has to be very cautious with odometer changes because while most changes will be for understandable reasons, it may not always be so as odometer changes can be used to disguise more sinister activities. So their mileage database "is operated within fairly strict guidelines".

Unfortunately we have had a report of frustrating delays in resolving difficulties with incorrect data held on the National Mileage Register with a reimported RV8. Even after the RV8 seller provided clear documentary evidence of the UK mileage following an odometer change when the car was reimported, getting incorrect mileage records on the database changed proved very difficult and time-consuming. So whilst the database manager recognises "an odometer change is expected with imported cars so is not unusual", their case seems to be "we may have seemed obstructive, but we're really trying to err on the side of caution and remain within the guidelines we’ve established for the register – rules that have been in place since its inception in 1997". With attempts to get incorrect mileage records changed they add that "whilst we try and resolve such investigations quickly, sometimes they can take several weeks, as your case study experienced. We also try and impose some fairly rigorous rules around when we can or can’t make adjustments to the mileage database."

So what are issues here?
Mileage can be checked to some extent by looking at the documentation with the car, like MOT test certificates and service invoices which record the mileage, and of course by having an MG specialist examine the condition of the vehicle. Whilst one can understand the caution of the database manager in altering their mileage records, but they do seem to carry it to extremes. It might be better if they were willing to report more detail - for example"odometer changed on importation, no information on prior mileage and mileage in the UK since importation 15,000 miles" or even simply "odometer changed, total mileage unknown" or just "this mileage is disputed".

As with many "guarantees" attached to services you need to check what is included and what is excluded from the cover. The guarantee issued by at least one of the vehicle data check service providers "doesn't cover the import status, mileage or descriptive information, but it does cover the outstanding finance and stolen markers. It doesn’t cover the V5 documentation checks, as all we can do is flag any reference numbers that we know for definite have been confirmed by DVLA as being from a batch stolen from DVLA."

So be prepared if you are buying or selling a reimported RV8 - getting an incorrect mileage record revealed by a vehicle mileage check report changed may be difficult. The seller should offer full documentary evidence of the mileage in the UK following importation and should keep the original kph odometer which was replaced with an mph unit when the car was prepared for UK registration with the car as part of the history file for the vehicle.

More information on vehicle mileage checks
We have a note which will be part of a buying guide to be published shortly called "So you want to buy an MGBGTV8 or MG RV8?" More
V8 Register - MG Car Club - the leading group for MG V8 enthusiasts at www.v8register.net