problems with an MGBGTV8
Egerton-Smith (Tahiti Blue 2610) from Norfolk sought help with continuing
problem of overheating in traffic. This note is based on the responses
provided by Victor Smith (Harvest Gold 1089) from London SW. (Mar
Egerton-Smith contacted the Editor saying "I am about to put
my V8 on the road for the new season but prior to doing so I write
for your guidance on the continuing problem of overheating in traffic.
A new water pump is about to be fitted but recently I saw an article
in a classic car magazine which road tested a secondhand MGBGTV8 and
mentioned the car was fitted with an uprated radiator to overcome
the traffic overheating problems. I know these cars were always prone
to this difficulty but I am put off from using the car if there is
any risk of heavy traffic, even in rural Norfolk. So this does reduce
the times when it can be used. I have fitted a manual override switch
to the cooling fans so I can switch the fans on in anticipation of
slow traffic, but after a few minutes of heavy traffic jams, the temperature
gauge starts to rise! The other answer may be to check the gauge but
this has always acted in the same manner so I do not think this is
wrong. I have stripped out the underbonnet insulation in an attempt
to allow the heat to dissipate. Can you please help me solve this
are replacement radiators available with four rather than the
standard three cores which have proved very effective at reducing
the heat build up on an MGBGTV8. The topic of curing overheating difficulties
with the MGBGTV8 has been extensively examined over the years, and
most recently the available options were reviewed by Gordon Hesketh-Jones
in his comprehensive V8 Workshop Note 248.
question is how does the overheating problem arise and what degree
of overheating is normal? When the design team was creating the
V8 at Abingdon back in the early 1970s, they realised quite early
on that the space available for the radiator was insufficient for
the size of radiator needed for cooling the V8 when the natural airflow
was low - when the car was stationary or in slow moving traffic. So
rather than go for a bonnet blister or bump as had been the solution
for the earlier MGC, they chose to fit two electric cooling fans.
Most members find the cooling water temperature rises rapidly once
a V8 is in slow moving or stationary traffic and then they hear the
reassuring roar of the fans as they cut in! In normal circumstances
the needle on the temperature gauge then moves back to the vertical
whereupon the fans shut down. If Andrew's V8 is getting hot in traffic
and, even with the cooling fans on, they are not bringing the temperature
down to a moderate level whereupon the fans go off, then there is
clearly a problem with the cooling system that requires careful investigation.
approach I would take is as follows:
tank. It is essential you do not overfill the expansion tank.
It should be between a quarter and a third full when cold. If it is
too full then you can get syphonage from the radiator and then consequent
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Position of the
electric fans. It is essential the fans are located as close to
the front face of the radiator matrix as possible as the cooling effect
is very much a factor of that proximity. Clearly the fans will need
to be set back by a sufficient margin to avoid any risk of physical
contact between the blades and the matrix.
Sludge in the radiator. Over time there will be an accumulation
of sludge in the radiator which can reduce the efficiency of the radiator.
The sludge can be removed by flushing the radiator with a flow of
clean water preferably with the unit removed from the car. Don Hayter
reminded me on a journey to Longbridge during the V8 25th Anniversary
week in 2003 that you should also flush the engine block too!
Temperature sensor. If the fans are coming on later than you feel
might be correct - they should cut in with the gauge between 5 and
4 o'clock - then it might be wise to check the temperature sensor.
On the V8 this is an Otter switch which is a very basic bimetal unit
with a "bowler hat" cover. It is not an expensive item to
Thermostat. To replace this unit you will need to consult V8 Workshop
Notes 2, 15 and 248
Water pump. As the cooling effect depends on the cooling water
being pumped round the engine block to absorb heat and then onto the
radiator to dissipate that heat, clearly the water pump is an essential
unit which has to perform well. There are several V8 Workshop Notes
on replacing or repairing this unit - see Notes 1 and 246 for example.
Andrew has a rubber
nosed V8 so the oil cooler will be underslung and located in the
airstream through the cut outs in the valance. With chrome bumpered
V8s, the oil cooler is mounted in front of the radiator and some
members have repositioned their oil coolers underneath behind the
valence unit. I have never found that necessary.
(Flamenco Red 2375) comments that a significant improvement in cooling
results from fitting a Special Tuning air dam (original ST part
number STR0189, available from Moss as a "pattern part")
and repositioning the front number plate up from its original position
under the rubber bumper and on to the rubber bumper. He feels this
is essential to ensure there is an unobstructed flow of air through
the duct in the air dam and onto the oil cooler. Jeff's V8 has been
fitted with an ST air dam for 25 years and he reports that "in
addition to reducing temperatures, the "recovery time"
down to normal running temperature after running in slow traffic
is very short indeed".
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He adds "for my money, the air dam is an inexpensive modification
which does not spoil the looks of the V8 - it was an ST option after
all - and it works! It needs respraying to match the body colour
of course". Jeff also adds that if you have a manual override
switch for the fans, then it enables you to always switch on early.